Podcast Interview: Microcurrent in Neurology, Part 2 of 2
The second and final part of the interview on the use of microcurrent in neurology with physiotherapist Inge Metag
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βWe achieved success very quickly with physiotherapy and microcurrent therapy in the case of all those patients whose movements β arms, legs and gait β […] were small, close to the body and without large ranges of motion.β (Metag, 2020)
In this episode, youβll hear the second part of the interview with physiotherapist Inge Metag on the topic of microcurrent in neurology. Inge Metag reports on a patient observation she carried out several years ago using microcurrent therapy on patients with Parkinsonβs disease and multiple sclerosis.
It is precisely this practical experience of working with frequency-specific microcurrent and neurological patients that provides valuable insight into the possibilities this offers for physiotherapy, naturopathic and medical practices. What are the indicators that provide a practitioner with information about the progress of such a treatment, and what might a microcurrent therapy programme look like in this context? These are the key questions addressed in this episode.
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Patrick Walitschek: Hello, Iβd like to warmly welcome you to a new podcast episode from LuXXaMed GmbH on the topics of βmicrocurrent frequencyβ, βfrequency-specific microcurrentβ and βBCR therapyβ β whatever you choose to call it. My name is Patrick Walitschek and, as announced last week, in this episode Iβll be bringing you the second and final part of the interview with physiotherapist Inge Metag, focusing specifically on the application of microcurrent β from LuXXaMed and so on β in the field of neurology.
00:00:36
Patrick Walitschek: As a physiotherapist, Inge Metag once carried out a study β or rather, a case series β specifically involving patients with Parkinsonβs disease and multiple sclerosis. One, two, three patients with restless legs syndrome and others were also included in this group, and Inge Metag is about to reveal how she went about it, what her strategy is, what her key approaches are, and how she treats neurological conditions. And I know β and I believe β that this is of particular interest to many practitioners, and that itβs certainly interesting for one or two patients as well. So I donβt want to keep you in suspense any longer. However, Iβd very much like to make one important point:
00:01:22
Patrick Walitschek: Next week, of course, a new episode will be released, as is the weekly tradition. In this episode β which will be titled βMicrocurrent Conversationsβ β Iβve had a relatively long conversation β I wouldnβt go so far as to call it an interview β with the orthopaedic surgeon Dr Voracek, who has been many years β since 2000 β using microcurrent in his practice, as well as at a clinic in Prague and with the Czech Olympic team, and I had a thorough discussion with him about microcurrent: what are its distinctive features? Why does microcurrent work, and why does he use it on almost all his patients, both in Germany and in the Czech Republic? So be sure to make a note for next week: I was almost about to say βa really fascinating interviewβ. No, itβs a conversation β quite funny in parts, too β and I can definitely recommend it. But now letβs move on to the final part on the topic of βMicrocurrent in Neurologyβ with physiotherapist Inge Metag.
00:02:32
Patrick Walitschek: Thatβs always such a much-loved topic, as weβve seen somewhereβ¦ or I remember, we actually ran a seminar on it together in Kassel once, and it was incredibly well attended β and I think you were there, and the topic of neurology was certainly the driving force behind it. Thatβs also very, very good. There are always loads and loads of questions, because naturally there are so many uncertainties. A client rang me yesterday evening, and it was actually about βParkinsonβs treatmentβ as well. So I said: βWell, thatβs perfect. Iβll definitely include that as a specific question in todayβs podcast, of course.β And yes, Iβd like to continue along those lines now. A few years ago, you carried out a study β or rather, a patient observation β on the use of microcurrent in neurology; I believe the focus was on Parkinsonβs. But perhaps you could say a little bit about that patient observation from your perspective?
00:03:32
Inge Metag: Well, the basis, of course, is once again collaboration with the treating doctor or doctors, as Parkinsonβs is a very complex condition in terms of its presentation. For us at the time, it was particularly appealing to work within geriatrics β a field that treats a significant number of Parkinsonβs patients β on issues relating to βmedication managementβ or, of course, from a physiotherapy perspective, βinfluencing the musculoskeletal systemβ. And, of course, back then we also looked at the main problems faced by suitable patients and the expectations they initially had regarding this inpatient stay. And the patients with whom we very quickly achieved success through physiotherapyβsupported by microtherapyβwere those whose movements, arms, legs and gait were very restricted, close to the body, without much range of motion or amplitude, and very unsteady.
00:04:48
Inge Metag: And without giving any thought to neurological programmes, we started there β initially with regeneration or very detoxifying programmes, so to speak, focusing on everything that was under tension, muscle shortening, to improve joint mobility, so that movements could once again be performed more confidently, with a greater range of motion and, of course, with greater distance from the body. And we made considerable progress in the two to three weeks they were in hospital. We always took into account the fact that these were elderly patients. That is, after all, what the word βgeriatricsβ implies. And, of course, this treatment also incorporated necessary osteoarthritis programmes or measures designed to increase or decrease muscle tone. Thatβs where we can make a difference again. Yes, but not βjust one programme with a standard electrode set-upβ.
00:06:02
Patrick Walitschek: Right, okay, what would you do if someone asked you specifically β if someone said they now had a Parkinsonβs patient β what would your approach be, or how would you assess the electrode system and programme selection for yourself in that moment? Are there any indicators that might be useful right now, if a user is listening and is thinking about how to structure their Parkinsonβs treatment with the patient? Are there any indicators that guide your approach, where youβd say: βRight, in this case Iβll place the electrodes on the spine, or on the head, or so onβ β is that the case?
00:06:39
Inge Metag: Well, thereβs always, of course, the question of what the patientβs main problem is. To be honest, one has to say that itβs very rare β though I wouldnβt want to generalise here β that, for example, the treatment has had an effect on the tremor. Resting tremor could not be influenced. Intention tremor occasionally, but it didnβt last very long. So, between one treatment and the next, the situation was actually back to how it was before the treatment. But these programmes, which we quite often began with regeneration, we actually carried out using the βclassic whole-body applicationβ β that is, via the spine, the right and left halves of the body to the lymphatic system β as well as this βhand-to-hand applicationβ.
00:07:36
Patrick Walitschek: Yes.
00:07:36
Inge Metag: And that served as an initial phase β for in-patient care, at least β lasting two or three weeks. On top of that came the individual local treatment. It wasnβt uncommon for a patient to say: βMy left armβs fine, but my right shoulderβs completely useless. Itβs got even worse since Iβve had Parkinsonβs.β And of course, that allowed us to observe the degenerative aspect as well and influence it.
00:08:04
Patrick Walitschek: Right, so youβd switch back and forth, so to speak, between the whole-body and local settings?
00:08:10
Inge Metag: Yes.
00:08:10
Patrick Walitschek: Now, you also had β in this study, there were also β letβs put it this way β a few MS patients whoβd slipped in. What were they like there, or to put it another way: how does the approach with microcurrent differ for MS compared to Parkinsonβs? Is it different for you, or do you actually structure the treatment strategy in the same way?
00:08:35
Inge Metag: Well, our experience with MS patients β and again, with very cooperative neurologists β actually points to one objective: namely, to prevent new inflammatory foci from becoming active wherever possible. This means that weβve been informed via imaging where the MS lesions are located β in the brain, the spinal cord or both regions β and then the standard approach has been to start with the inflammation programme, whereby for the head weβve set up a βforehead-occipitalβ configuration, and for the spine βfrom the cervical spine down to the lumbar spineβ or β if there were lesions in both regions β then βhead and spineβ, each with the aforementioned circuit, plus the βlymphatic circuitsβ on both sides of the body.
00:09:33
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, okay. And what would you say was the most striking experience for you during the study, when you saw the results in the evaluation? I mean, you gain experience with the effects of microcurrent every day, but when you actually went through the analysis of the data β there were around 80 participants in total, I believe?
00:09:53
Inge Metag: Yes. Thatβs right, there were 99 in total if you include the Restless Legs participants.
00:09:59
Patrick Walitschek: Ah, right. Yes, thatβs right, exactly. What would you say, in summary, that youβve taken away from the study β not just in relation to the effects of microcurrent, but also more generally in terms of βmicrocurrent and neurologyβ, if you were to combine those two terms: Is there a conclusion youβd draw from the whole thing?
00:10:17
Inge Metag: One thing thatβs certainly clear is that you can achieve a great deal with microcurrent: that was also noted very positively. The problem has always been that both Parkinsonβs and MS are systemic conditions, with which you can never say: βRight, theyβre cured nowβ. That means β and I think Iβve described it this way too β that once treatment has begun, it must be continued. And it is both interesting and sad, I would say, that particularly in the case of Parkinsonβs patients, who were certainly able to put aside the idea of using a wheelchair, perhaps even for quite long distances, and who had regained the ability to walk β whether with a rollator or walking sticks β were then, in their home care setting, relatively quickly returned to a wheelchair.
00:11:24
Inge Metag: Even within their personal circles, there wasnβt always a sense of joy that certain things had stabilised again; rather, the attitude tended to be: βYes, thatβs all well and good, it was effective treatment, but now the main thing is that nothing hurts and weβll go back to doing everything as we did beforeβ. In other words, a limited range of activity, too much effort involved in getting to outpatient treatment β and thatβs precisely the crux of the matter: that what had been started could not be continued.
00:12:00
Patrick Walitschek: Yes.
00:12:00
Inge Metag: It was different for MS patients in that they were, for the most part, younger and therefore didnβt mind the travel involved. They fall into the category β Iβve looked at the figures again β of having treatment once a week. Statistically speaking, that works out at around 38 sessions a year β as holidays or other reasons can sometimes get in the way β and they feel so well looked after that they wouldnβt want to miss a session, partly because their medication intake has decreased, and partly because symptoms have receded to such an extent that they β and this was, of course, a decisive factor for us β they were able to continue managing their daily lives, which for most of them consisted of the demands of their jobs.
00:12:52
Patrick Walitschek: Okay, well, thatβs obviously a huge step forward or a massive improvement for the patients, regardless of the diagnosis itself, isnβt it. And as for restless legs: I think there were three or four, if Iβm remembering correctlyβ¦? I canβt quite recall the exact number nowβ¦
00:13:11
Inge Metag: There were a few more, and we treated them on a trial basisβ¦ if patients told us theyβd actually tried a lot, or β according to their doctors β everything, then weβd tackle the issue of autonomic balance, and for those patients, this really brought about something theyβd never have believed possible: namely, the restoration of the nightβs sleep theyβd previously lost.
00:13:42
Patrick Walitschek: Okay.
00:13:43
Inge Metag: Our approach to autonomic balance involved applying pressure to the right and left of the spine, extending down to the soles of the feet on both sides, and very often, after just one or two treatments, patients would say as they got off the treatment table: βI canβt describe it. It feels different. Itβs doing me good.β
00:14:09
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, okay.
00:14:10
Inge Metag: But also β and we have to be realistic here β for anything that isnβt subject to a definitive cure, we should make it clear to the patient at a relatively early stage that this is a long-term treatment. In most cases, you can easily move from initially shorter intervals β two to three times a week β to what Iβd call the maintenance dose, which is βonce a weekβ. You can also take a three- or four-week holiday, but itβs always a matter of access; itβs a regulatory and restorative process that becomes necessary time and again in the event of a chronic deficit.
00:14:52
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, yes, I see, yes. Right, well. But nevertheless, I mean, what other alternatives are there for patients? Usually, that would mean drug-based therapies, which may well bring with them side effects and so on. As I said, thatβs always the underlying question of alternatives.
00:15:09
Inge Metag: The alternative is that they fall back into old patterns or are pushed back into them. Or, as Iβve already said, they might say: βIβd really love to make progress, but thereβs no provider in my immediate area and the effort involved in getting to the practice is simply too muchβ. Yes, but it was nice while it lasted; itβs sad, but unfortunately thatβs the reality.
00:15:34
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, yes, yes. Very good, very good. How do you think the future will unfold in the field of microcurrent therapy? Do you think it will continue, how shall I put it, its triumphant advance? Or what would be, letβs say, your hopes in this regard generally?
00:15:57
Inge Metag: My hopes are actually to lift this whole field of electrotherapy a little out of its current state β and Iβm not going too far out on a limb when I say β out of its old rut, out of the familiar. There are many approaches to working on the human body using electricity, small currents β in other words, electrotherapy. And I have a version of a device which, for me, is ideal for delivering microcurrents about 80 per cent of the time, and perhaps 10 per cent of the time for treating peripheral paralysis β where you do have to work exponentially at the start, but can then switch to microcurrent therapy as treatment progresses. And if β as is the case where I come from β you donβt leave competitive sport out of the equation, then for those who are injured or have had an accident, there are specific programmes for muscle rehabilitation. For me, that would be the device of the future, but itβs already clear from this: 80 per cent microcurrent.
00:17:09
Patrick Walitschek: Yes. Very interesting. Very good. Yes, brilliant. So, at least as far as the list of questions Iβd roughly put together is concerned, weβve already covered everything in this podcast. If you have anything else youβd like to say to microcurrent users β and, of course, to any patients who might be listening to this podcast β a message youβd like to shareβ¦
00:17:39
Inge Metag: Well, Iβd certainly like to signal to those responsible for passing on the full scope of electrotherapy to the next generation of professionals, in other words, to trainees, that we should be focusing much more on this field, so that, from an early stage as far as those starting out in the profession are concerned, much more curiosity is sparked, and so that, through further training or whatever else we can offer, this therapy becomes part of their professional identity. I also find it rather embarrassing, in some circumstances, when patients who are very interested β and who have learnt about microcurrent therapy through publications β are told in a practice: βNo, we canβt use electricity or we donβt do thatβ or βWe donβt have that machineβ: thatβs actually something that really shouldnβt happen these days.
00:18:32
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, yes, absolutely, I see it exactly the same way. Perfect! Those are wonderful closing remarks. Iβd like to take this opportunity to thank you very much for taking the time for this interview. And yes, you were just about to say something?
00:18:51
Inge Metag: Yes, itβs also my aim β whatever the means β and I think this podcast is the perfect way to keep driving this message home: so much has already been achieved. The company has already organised and developed so much, has never let up, and yet there are still many people who need to be made aware of this cause.
00:19:14
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, thatβs true. Itβs definitely a daily struggle. Do you listen to podcasts yourself in your spare time?
00:19:23
Inge Metag: It really depends: when I do take the time for it, I enjoy it. Iβve got a team of 60 people at the moment, and my boss is also busy with the circumstances β well, itβs not for nothing that weβve got Covid. And letβs put it this way: Iβm just glad if I get through the day okay, and then my switch-off mechanism kicks in all by itself. And if all else fails, I treat myself to a bit of stimulation and have a full-body massage.
00:19:51
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, perfect! Very good.
00:19:54
Inge Metag: Why not!
00:19:55
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, of course, that works β I do it too.
00:19:58
Inge Metag: Youβve got to be able to picture yourself in it too. Exactly.
00:20:00
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, yes, absolutely. Iβve got one at home too, of course. And when I do have time β as the saying goes, the cobblerβs children have no shoes β but every now and then I do treat myself to it, lying on the sofa, although I tend to go for βregenerationβ or βautonomic balanceβ rather than βstimulationβ, it works brilliantly. But itβs always a bit like exercise: I do have to give myself a nudge to actually get round to doing it.
00:20:31
Inge Metag: Yes, yes. But Patrick, you know: when youβve had a busy day, at some point your mind signals that itβs time to switch off!
00:20:39
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, yes.
00:20:39
Inge Metag: Yes. Itβs exercise, of course. Weβve got one β Iβd love to show it to you, as you havenβt seen any of this yet β weβve got a state-of-the-art training therapy programme.
00:20:49
Patrick Walitschek: Yes.
00:20:49
Inge Metag: Itβs an extension to our practice. Yes, it wasnβt there back then when youβ¦ it was still under construction. I just need to walk a few metres from my office, but when my mind goes blank, well, I donβt think I need to finish that sentence.
00:21:05
Patrick Walitschek: Yes, exactly. Yes, yes, exactly. Perfect!
00:21:07
Inge Metag: Yes.
00:21:07
Patrick Walitschek: Great. Well, thank you once again from the bottom of my heart for the interview!
00:21:16
Inge Metag: Youβre welcome.
00:21:16
Patrick Walitschek: And yes, Iβm looking forward to it. I donβt yet know how things will pan out in terms of organising events. There were a few seminars planned for this year, but none of them took place.
00:21:28
Inge Metag: Yes, itβs a shame, really.
00:21:29
Patrick Walitschek: A real shame! Iβm not sure whether weβll be holding any in-person seminars this year either. Iβve got a small in-person seminar in November in Berchtesgaden with alternative practitioner Burkhard Hock. But there are only 15 people attending.
00:21:42
Inge Metag: Yes, Iβm aware of that. Itβs quite a small group; as for whether weβll hold a larger seminar in Kassel this year: weβll have to see how the restrictions develop regarding gatherings of people and so on. We might be planning an online seminar; weβll have to see. But I think thatβs a good option, given the situation, of course. Thank you very much, Inge, for taking the time to speak with us. The closing remarks have taken a bit longer than usual, as is often the case in real life, so to speak. Yes, thank you very much! Iβm looking forward to seeing you again very, very soon, and to us running training courses together again at some point. So Iβll just say: thank you very much and see you soon!
00:22:22
Inge Metag: Iβd also like to thank you for your interest and hope that we can take many things much further than they already are at the moment. See you soon!
00:22:31
Patrick Walitschek: See you soon!




