In the world of modern medicine, there are constantly new developments that are changing our view of healing and health. One such development that has become increasingly important in recent years is frequency-specific microcurrent therapy (FSM). This innovative treatment method, founded by Dr Carolyn McMakin, uses specific frequencies to treat a variety of physical ailments. In our latest podcast, “Frequency Listening", we have the privilege of speaking to one of the leading experts in this field, Florian Schöning.

Who is Florian Schöning?

Florian Schöning is more than just an experienced physiotherapist and alternative practitioner; he is an official instructor for FSM according to Dr Carolyn McMakin and has over a decade of experience in the application of microcurrent therapy. His deep understanding and practical experience of this technique makes him an indispensable speaker for anyone interested in the interface of medicine and new therapeutic methods.

What is FSM and how does it work?

FSM utilises microcurrents emitted at specific frequencies to stimulate natural healing processes in the body. These frequencies are designed to resonate with specific tissues and conditions in the body, resulting in more effective treatment. In the podcast, Florian Schöning explains the scientific basis of this form of therapy and how it differs from traditional treatment methods.

The importance of frequencies

A core topic of the podcast is the importance of specific frequencies in FSM. Florian dives deep into the science behind these frequencies and explains how they can be used to treat various conditions, from pain to inflammation. He also discusses the origins of these frequencies and how they have been developed and refined over time.

FSM in practice

Of particular interest to practitioners such as physiotherapists, occupational therapists, alternative practitioners and doctors are Florian’s comments on the practical application of FSM. He shares his extensive experience and gives insights into how FSM can be used in daily practice to achieve effective results. This part of the podcast is a valuable resource for all healthcare professionals looking to expand their treatment repertoire.

Florian Schöning’s role as teacher and mentor

In addition to his work as a therapist, Florian Schöning is also authorised to conduct training courses in Germany on behalf of Dr Carolyn McMakin. This emphasises his deep understanding and ability to teach FSM techniques effectively. In the podcast he talks about his role as a teacher and mentor and how he helps other professionals to integrate FSM into their practice.

Why should you listen to this podcast?

Whether you’re a medical professional looking for new treatments or simply curious about the latest developments in medical science, this podcast offers a unique and in-depth look at one of the most exciting developments in modern therapies.

Official telegram group to the FSM:

https://t.me/joinchat/XMAaMZO329Q0ZjUy

Florian Schöning practice:

https://www.praxis-schöning.de/

Further training in microcurrent and FSM therapy:

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Frequenzspezifischer Mikrostrom in der Schmerztherapie

Der Resonanzeffekt: Wie Frequenz-Spezifischer Mikrostrom die Medizin verändert

B: I did all the training you could do with her, from the beginners’ course that was available at the time to the advanced course. Then I trained as a trainer and was in the masterclass. The cell vibrates with a certain vibration when everything is in order. But if the cell has a problem, that’s why you have the problem, then the cell no longer vibrates. We are now simply trying out what we can do with the current. We had this frequency list and then tried out the frequencies there, and suddenly everything became loose. Don’t worry, you won’t feel anything from the current because it’s intentional. I still think the best studies are the ones where they analysed the blood for inflammation parameters. This is also suitable for all those who work with the Luxxamed device. They can use the Carolyn McMakin technique and perhaps expand their therapy spectrum as a result. #00:00:55-1#

I: Welcome to a new podcast episode of Luxxamed GmbH. My name is Patrick Walitschek, and this time I’ve brought you another interview, an extremely exciting interview in my opinion, on the subject of FSM. What does FSM stand for? FSM stands for Frequency Specific Microcurrent. I spoke to the official FSM trainer and instructor about this. Florian Schöning, a therapist who has been practising the whole thing for many years, not only in his own practice, but also as a trainer and lecturer and has been officially authorised and trained by Dr Carolyn McMakin, the founder of FSM, and is also allowed to give corresponding training courses in Germany in her name. I don’t need to explain the topic of microcurrent for our podcast listeners at this point. We have already done many, many episodes on this topic. But this time it’s specifically about individualised use and the use of specific frequencies on patients or in pathology. The whole thing is also being organised with a view to an upcoming two-day training seminar, which I will be holding together with Florian in spring 2024. I hope you now have a lot of fun and, above all, a lot of important knowledge about the FSM. We’ll talk again briefly at the end of the interview. Hello Florian, I’m delighted that you’ve found the time to record a podcast with me, especially in the stressful pre-Christmas period. This is our first podcast together and is intended to mark the beginning of a joint first event, namely a two-day seminar, which is specifically about FSM, frequency-specific microcurrent and frequencies et cetera. Thank you very much for taking the time today. #00:03:13-1#

B: Thank you for letting me come. Exactly, we have an event planned next year on this topic and you were kind enough to invite me. I would like to say briefly why we both came into contact. I first heard about FSM ten years ago. At first I thought it was some kind of electrotherapy thing and wasn’t convinced by the classic electrotherapy methods. But then it kept coming back to me at irregular intervals and at some point I started to look into it more consistently. I finally came to America to see Dr Carolyn McMakin, who is a leader in this field by our standards. I first bought the book, thinking that I would understand everything and bought my first microcurrent device. But my successes started to fade. Then I told myself that I had to fly directly to America to be trained by her. I did all the training courses you could do with her. From the beginners’ course to the advanced course. Then I trained as a trainer and went on to the masterclass. It went on like that for many years and I had a lot of contact with Carolyn McMakin as a result. h In 2017 or 2018, I gave the first courses in her name in Germany. With her script, with her guidelines and according to her training standard at the time. That’s my background, which is why many people associate me with FSM in Germany. That has now also become your topic. You’ve also been doing microcurrent for some time. That is also frequency therapy, but not according to the Carolyn-McMakin scheme. But it is also suitable for all those who work with the Luxxamed device. They can also use this Carolyn-McMakin technique and perhaps expand their range of therapies as a result. #00:05:38-9#

I: That was the basic idea behind why we included it in the new software version, also to provide an additional tool. As an extension for those who want to delve deeper into the overall understanding of microcurrent and frequencies. Another reason was that customers approached us and said that it worked really well, but that they would also like something specific for their patients in other areas. We decided that this was not a problem from a technical point of view and designed this FSM mode. There will be an update to this soon because we have added a few things that make it a bit easier to create the protocols. The update will be released at the beginning of next year. That’s the idea behind it. How would you explain the topic of FSM to a patient, a medical layperson, who comes to your practice? #00:06:43-7#

B: Relatively simply. I would say: “We’re doing a current therapy, and don’t worry, you won’t feel anything from the current because that’s the intention. The current is deliberately dosed or regulated so low that you won’t feel anything. Not that you’re waiting for it to tingle." That’s one thing, and then I would say: “It works like this: you have to imagine that you have a cell that vibrates with a certain vibration when everything is in order. But if the cell has a problem, that’s why you have the problem, then this cell no longer vibrates. This cell has its own vibration. Think of your favourite radio station. It runs on 100 hearts, and if you set it to exactly 100 hearts, your radio station will come on. It’s the same with electrotherapy. If I set it to 100 hearts, then I reach exactly this cell. Now these 100 hearts come from the outside to this cell, and the cell has to start resonating like at the Oktoberfest. If everyone is sitting on the bench and starts swaying, and you sit right in the centre, then you only have one option: you have to sway along with the rhythm or everyone falls off the bench. It’s the same with this cell, which also swings. It takes on this vibration and if it then has a natural vibration with the vibration and vibrates again on its own, then the cell can do what it is supposed to do again. A cell always does one of two things: Either it controls something, for example an inflammation or the healing process, or it produces something, for example tissue or hormones and so on." Then everything is actually fine again. If they are still a little sceptical, I say: “Watch out. Only the cell that reacts to 100 hearts is the one that is affected. This means that nothing will happen to the cell that is already vibrating with 100 hearts. It’s just like when you sit on the bench with the ones that are vibrating. Then everything is fine. But if you have your other favourite radio station, which is not on 100 heart, but on 110 heart, then you also have to set it to 110 heart. This means that the cell, which only resonates on 100 Hz, does not care about any other frequency. In other words, if you set 110, the cell with 100 heart is not interested. Only the cells that respond to this particular frequency and don’t vibrate are the ones that come back into activity." That’s how I usually explain it to patients. #00:09:08-7#

I: That sounds good and makes sense. I think most people will understand that. If the patients or users understand what is happening, it makes the therapy easier. If the user understands what the current is doing, it is easier to explain to them how to work with the device. That’s my experience. Let’s take a look back at the topic of frequency in general. The following question always comes up: Where do frequencies come from? Perhaps you can briefly shed some light on the history of the FSM. #00:09:55-4#

B: Gladly. The question is how far back we should go. Electrotherapy was relatively popular around 1900. There was a lot of experimentation at that time and there were many experiments with different forms of current and frequencies. A lot of knowledge was generated through trial and error. People investigated what the frequency did, for example, or who it helped. I don’t know what it was like in Europe. But in America, according to Dr Carolyn McMakin, in the 1930s it was forbidden for doctors to do electrotherapy. Those who did it lost their licence. A lot of knowledge disappeared and everyone put their devices in the back room and never touched them again. In the other direction in the world, especially in Russia, that didn’t happen. They did a lot and there was a lot of knowledge there. But not much of it came to us in the West. Carolyn McMakin found one of these machines by chance in the 1980s with a small piece of paper with a few frequencies on it. She wondered what it was. She originally worked as a chiropractor using musculoskeletal therapy and had a patient with massive tension in his neck muscles. However, she was unable to help the patient with her usual chiropractic options and therapies and finally tried out what she could achieve with electricity. She had this frequency list. Suddenly the tension was relieved. She found that interesting. The frequencies were there empirically. On the other hand, there is a very, very large frequency list that Carolyn McMakin also uses. She got it somehow at some point. A course participant once brought it back, but nobody knows where it came from. That’s one story. The other is that new frequencies come onto the market from time to time. I know from Carolyn McMakin that she found this out for herself, for example, by using a pendulum or radionic methods. Unfortunately, this is not as scientific as we would perhaps like it to be. But that’s how many frequencies came about afterwards. The only thing I can say is that no matter whether therapists in America or we use it or what machines they have, as long as they are of good quality and you can trust the settings, they all have the same success. Somehow it has to work. If someone has a ligament injury and a repair band is made, you set this frequency combination. It works the same all over the world. #00:13:08-9#

I: You’re right about that. I always think in the end there’s the saying: “He who heals is right." Empiricism is also a form of science and Carolyn McMakin has published a lot. If you enter her name into PubMed, I think ten or twelve of her publications come up. The cytokines in particular are important when it comes to inflammation. She did a brilliant study on this. Also on various other topics such as muscle catarrh or back pain. Scientific proof has definitely been provided. #00:13:52-4#

B: Yes, thank goodness. There are various studies and things that they have tested. For me, the best studies are the ones where they analysed the blood for inflammation parameters: What happens to the inflammation parameters before and after the therapy when you enter the inflammation frequency? There are changes there and also in hormone levels. I think you can argue about the study design of the muscle soreness study. There are things that work, and if things work, and we know from experience that other things also work, then you can work with them. If you talk to a biophysicist, then that will take on a completely different dimension. But I think as a therapist, if there’s partial evidence for it, it’s okay. #00:14:48-9#

I: I think so too, especially when it comes to physical therapies. I would actually have to think about whether I have ever found a gold standard study that goes into the area of physical therapy. That’s also something that’s very welcome. You read that a lot, even on social media, when it comes to this topic. It’s always said that it should be evidence-based. But you have to remain realistic because studies involve a lot of money. That’s why it’s so closely aligned with the pharmaceutical industry, because they have the means to conduct such studies. It’s relatively difficult in physical therapy. #00:15:23-9#

B: The figure will be different now, but two, three, four years ago the evidence-based rate for all medical therapies was four per cent. That means that 96 per cent of the things we did were not evidence-based at all. We do need evidence-based, but on the other hand, the question is how much of what we have is really evidence-based. #00:15:47-2#

I: Let’s move on to practice. How long does a treatment last? For example, what are the main areas of application for you where you definitely use frequencies and how long does an application take, for example, when a patient comes to your practice? #00:16:14-3#

B: Those are two very difficult questions to answer. Firstly, the time factor. Sometimes, if you have set the right frequency, you can solve the problem in a minute. It depends on the problem. For example, if you have a pain condition, it may not be there relatively quickly. However, if you have a broken bone, you can speed up the healing process, but it’s not the case that you can say you’ve been doing microcurrent for an hour and the bone has healed. That takes longer. A standard treatment tends to be between 30 to 90 minutes, depending on the condition and the pathology. Anything to do with muscles, intervertebral discs, back pain or ligaments takes half an hour. Anything related to neurological problems, such as chronic pain syndromes or nerve defects, is more likely to take 90 minutes. That’s a rough guide. The most experience is in the area of muscles and joints. Carolyn McMakin is trained in this because she comes from a chiropractic background. She has a lot of experience with this. Everything in this area is great. Where it works very well is everything that has to do with nerves, from multiple sclerosis to nerve damage, nerve crushing or pain syndromes. Of course, there are also areas of application such as stomach problems, intestinal problems, intestinal inflammation, psychological problems, depression or Parkinson’s disease. There are also possible applications. Ultimately, as long as we have a frequency, we can try to influence everything with it. The question is always what the cause is. That is the decisive factor, and everything depends on it. In the end, perhaps the therapist’s creativity is the limit rather than the disease, and to say that we don’t have a frequency for it. Maybe there is an indirect way to make an improvement. #00:18:34-2#

I: Perhaps a few words about the outlook for this seminar event that we want to organise. What can a microcurrent user expect from this seminar? Roughly speaking, what will the core content be? #00:18:51-0#

B: The first half hour to hour will be about how the whole thing works. Quite simply as described below: It’s not technically or biophysically in-depth. We basically work with two channels. At Luxxamed we have four channels. You can explain what the advantages are and why we use four channels instead of two. But we always talk about two channels. What do they mean? How are the frequencies assigned? We talk about this so that you have a rough framework. That’s actually enough theoretical background knowledge. If you want to know more, you are welcome to read more. We can also talk more about this in the seminar if you wish, but it’s still not relevant to the practice. Then we have to talk about how we treat it and how we can use it in practice. I like to do this by asking all participants to name their most difficult patients and which clinical picture they are stuck with. Then we write it all down and we have a huge list of clinical pictures. At the end of the day, the treatment is always very, very similar. Then we go through it step by step. We start with a few simple cases. We look at the symptoms and ask ourselves what the cause is and what we need to think about. The really difficult thing, regardless of whether you are a physiotherapist, alternative practitioner, occupational therapist or midwife, is that because we have so many frequencies, we can target so many structures that we would otherwise not be able to treat. For example, who can directly influence meningitis? Who can really say that they can take the swelling out of the periosteum? Or who can say that they can remove the trauma from the ovary? That’s why you sometimes have to think anatomically about structures that can play an important role in the problem in question, but which we’ve never actually thought of before in our repertoire because we didn’t have any tools to tackle precisely this structure or this problem. That’s actually the biggest sticking point in our heads that we have to overcome. We’ll talk a lot about that. But once the penny has dropped, many illnesses and pathologies suddenly become very simple and you can say that this and that lends itself. Then you just play with it afterwards. Of course, there are several roads to Rome. The more therapists there are and the more therapists from different classes there are, the more perspectives there are, and that is always very enriching for everyone. Then two days are over very quickly, and the big advantage is that you not only take something away for your patients, but hopefully also come out of the seminar feeling better physically. With a good vibration and perhaps with a little more resonance. #00:22:06-2#

I: Where can people who want to listen to our podcast and find out more about you, your practice and what you do best find you? On the internet, for example. #00:22:20-5#

B: The best place for people to reach me is on the FSM Community Telegram channel. We can provide a link there later. It’s freely accessible. Anyone who is interested in FSM or has questions about it is welcome to join. It’s an open forum where anyone can ask their questions and where I try to give quick and qualified feedback. There is also always all the FSM-relevant information, such as about our seminar. If time permits, I’ll post the dates for the webinars there. #00:22:57-8#

I: I also like to include that in the description of the podcast and link to it directly via the podcast. Depending on where you listen to the podcast, someone can access the information from there. From my point of view, this should first be an introduction. I believe that we can fill many, many more episodes if we have the time. That’s always the biggest problem with both of us. But I think the questions have been answered, especially in relation to the seminar. If listeners have questions, they can either email me, the contact details are also in the podcast descriptions, or if they find you, they can also use the Telegram channel. We will also include this in the show notes. Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to next year’s event. #00:23:54-0#

B: Thank you as well. It’s going to be a cheap event. #00:23:57-2#

I: What can I say? I don’t think I exaggerated at the beginning that this is a super exciting topic, especially for those who want to delve deeper into the subject of microcurrent and frequencies. All the seminars mentioned, the links and so on, and also the contact to the Telegram group, are presented in the show notes, i.e. in the podcast descriptions. If you have any questions, you can write to info@luxxamed.de. You can usually also reach me personally there. Of course, you can also give us a five-star rating on your favourite podcast host where you consume our podcasts or podcasts in general. Follow us on social media: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. We are represented there. You can search for the hashtag luxxamed or microcurrent, as this is where we have published the most posts and information in Germany so far. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for tuning in. Stay tuned. There will be more episodes on this and other topics very, very soon, as you are used to. I’m delighted that you’re with us. #00:25:06-0#